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MBAs MBAs Everywhere!
MBAs MBAs Everywhere!
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MBAs MBAs Everywhere
by Vivek Tuteja
The author is a PGP from IIM Ahmedabad and has 5 years of experience in education consulting.

Now MBAs will work in call centers!

Hello World! Now MBA’s will answer your calls. India is racing ahead to produce unjustified numbers of professional MBAs. MBA’s who will have no choice but to take call center training and do a user end job in Call Centres.

News: ICFAI University has opened 155 MBA colleges under the banner of National College across India with average intake of 300 each. This means now India will produce 45000+ fresh MBA’s every year.

More News: They are not the only one.

Well this is nothing new to India, it has happened earlier to the graduate education and now it is happening to the post graduate education. The problem is much bigger than it looks. in India, too much of importance has been attached to ‘Degrees’ rather than ‘Education’. In 1970’s an average qualified commerce graduate was able to find a good job on his merit. In 1980’s an engineering graduate was worth the engineering tag. In 1990’s an MBA was a respected professional and seen as hi-flier.

And where are we today???

In 2005, none of the mushrooming so-called B-Schools guarantee you that an average qualified candidate will be able to do the relevant job, which requires basic skill set and competencies expected by such a graduate. Ask any corporate recruiter and you will find your answer.

The key question is why?

A Degree in India is more important than the learning associated with it. In Industrial terms, Degree is the product and learning/education is not even a byproduct but the residue. Professional and technical education in India is not governed by a demand-supply gap. Hence it’s a common phenomenon that a civil engineer ends up working in a software company reason being he was never serious about civil engineering, he took it simply because others were not available. Great qualified engineers are we producing who even before starting their engineering education are disinterested in pursuing the skill further or applying it. This frivolity attached to technical and professional education has a multiplier effect. These people in turn hurt the chances of serious candidates pursuing career in their technical field.

Assembly line production when adopted to post graduation has greater implications. Great many candidates choose their post graduation/ professional course because they have completed their graduation. Some of them prioritize, get their goals in place, set targets and start their own battle called “life”. Others, even after graduation have no clue what to expect from their next big degree. Since MBA is the flavour of the season every body wants to be an MBA. They will just do anything for it. Hence you see all these 45000 seats being packed in no time. Some who miss the bus board the next flight abroad in pursuit of an MBA degree. But one needs to understand that Graduates are demanding Degrees, which they think will guarantee good jobs. But not realizing that overall learning and development of their being is far more important.

There are two far reaching issues here which need detailing. Lets take them one by one.

Firstly, is any graduate qualified to be an MBA? A candidate who was at the bottom of the heap in any state level management aptitude test that has moderate difficulty level easily secures admission in these colleges. A simple case, National College had earlier conducted exam for 150 seats per college. But like Reliance Jamnagar refinery, owing to demand they also doubled their capacity in centers where these seats got booked. And now, they intend to start an autumn batch to catch students who would not have managed admissions by the end of MBA season. This frivolity in admission procedure is worth debating. No point doubting the quality of education, it may be great. But, the eligibility criteria are so poor that even great education cannot change the fortunes of the candidate. Still the candidate gets the most coveted MBA degree. By the time he will realize that this rioting which he did behind seeking degrees has not helped his cause, he would have lost his youth. So in a way by meeting this demand-supply gap aren’t these institutes misguiding the youth of the country. The way things are moving now a days, graduation degree is a necessary condition though not sufficient for entry to corporate ladder. But if things move the same way, it will no longer be the same.

Secondly, such supplies of professionals is hurting the chances of good and serious graduates. Today, there are plenty of commerce graduates doing well in the India corporate hierarchy without a professional degree. But this pseudo pressure is forcing them to opt for post graduation degree and as a result very soon one will need to be a post graduate/professional degree holder to get a marketing executive / a customer care executive / accountant’s job.

Reason for concern is – Are we seeing a trend! First came Sikkim Manipal University, then Rai University and now ICFAI National College. ICFAI was respected nation wide for the IBS concept which met the demand of entry level MBAs, but this is totally shocking! Worst is these and there are many more like them are not registered as limited companies under Registrar of Companies and Government of India is giving them tax benefit for this storm they are creating in the education system.

Can we do anything? Definitely!

Government and government affiliated bodies should look forward towards integrating career awareness and career options with the academic courses at HSC, graduation and even post graduate levels, so that candidates can take more informed career choices. They should look forward to regularizing the Technical Education in the country on the basis of demand. The number of seats in each stream should be made more flexible and they should take inputs from the industry. Universities established under state legislation should identify the needs of the state/nation and add MBA seats on the basis of the need. Nationally recognized JBIMS, Mumbai still produces only 120 MBAs every year.

Corporate HR and Placement Consultants should work together in tandem to identify the graduates who are willing to excel in their graduation background and give them a good growth plan. Higher graduate salaries and good training and development programme will save them from the chaos of annual attrition of MBA’s.

Educational Bodies and Corporates should further work together in developing niche courses which meet the demands of specific industry and market them to students.

Rest of us, as most of the readers are regularly approached by graduates/undergraduate should make an effort to guide them towards career focused education rather than Degrees.

Or why not give industry status to professional education and let it be governed by the rules of the market space and locate its own demand-supply equilibrium. With easy education loans should government continue funding professional education when people in this country are already paying many fold more to other Degree colleges?

Vivek Tuteja

Education & Media Consultant
Chairman,
Endeavor Careers Pvt Ltd.
vivek@endeavorcareers.com

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Subject: 
Are IIMs really that good?
Author: 
Manish (not verified)
Date: 
Thu, 27/10/2005 - 12:29

Agreed when compared to Indian standards they may be. But the entire philosophy of Indian management education system is flawed. With IIM admitting more than half of the class without work ex, they seem like lost puppys when they come out in the corporate world. IIMs gloat a lot about international placements but do they talk in terms of quality of placements? They work alongside undergrads from US univs.

The truth is that 95% of IIM grads are big time wastes and have no clue what they are into. They just piggy back on the brand name of the institute built by the remaining 5%.

With economy opening up to globalization, Indian MBA institutes need to do some serious thinking in terms of their intake and selection criteria. It would do them good to follow the lead of world leaders such as Harvard and Wharton.


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Subject: 
Hi Manish
Author: 
Catwalker (not verified)
Date: 
Mon, 31/10/2005 - 13:59

It is important that you give details (with data/experience/evidences) when you make comments.
This place is not meant for making comments just for the sake of it.
So please make sure that you have enough evidence to back up your comments.
a) they seem like lost puppys when they come out in the corporate world - " Have you worked with them? Have you been a supervisor of any IIM student? Do you know of any comments by respectable business man in this regard ?
b)The truth is that 95% of IIM grads are big time wastes and have no clue what they are into " - Please let us know what is the basis of making such a statement?
c)"IIMs gloat a lot about international placements but do they talk in terms of quality of placements? They work alongside undergrads from US univs." - Put more data on this too.

We would like IIMCatwalk to be a serious forum where people can get better picture of things. We dont want to delete/ban a user just because he has put some negative statements. However we expect it to be based on experience/backed up by data.

Team IIMCATWALK


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Subject: 
ur sensibilities are missing
Author: 
Vivek (not verified)
Date: 
Sat, 29/10/2005 - 14:41

Dear Manish..
well i doubt whether ever taken ?CAT or prepared for CAT.. Ur RC seems to be not in place.. This article is not a debate on IIMs are good or not.. This is more abt the MBA mania in the country and whether it is justified or not to just do MBA for sake of it..
ur data is obviously misplaced.. n there may be people with work ex but check the quality of work ex.. and to add to it what is important is ROI and kind of quantum leap it gives to ur career..

Just dont spoil essence of article by posting unrelated comments..

I request the administrator to either dissallow posting of comments on this article or kindly remove it from the webspace..

If this is the kind of maturity of the audience visiting the site well i doubt the website is serving its purpose

cheers


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Subject: 
kudos vivek
Author: 
sudhir shetty (not verified)
Date: 
Mon, 03/10/2005 - 10:19

ALAS! SOMEONE DID SPEAK AND YES SPOKE NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH...WELL OBVIOUSLY THESE VIEWS COULD NOT HAVE COME FROM SOMEONE WHO IS MYOPIC LIKE THE ONE WHO HAVE SORT OF CRITICISED IT... IF I WERE TO COMMENT ON THE SITUATION, THEN I GUESS I WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PESSIMISTIC AND WOULD HAVE SAID THAT " NOW, MBA'S WILL WORK FOR THOSE MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS AS " SWEEPERS "....
WHY I SAY THIS IS BECAUSEI FIND A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR SHORT CUTS i.e THEY THINK " MBA FROM INSTITUTES OTHER THAN THE IIM'S ARE AS GOOD AS PGP FROM THE IIM'S AND WITH EXPERIENCE THEY CAN COMPETE WITH THE IIM'S.. TO GUIDE THESE IGNORANT PEOPLE THESE DAYS YOU FIND EVERY TOM DICK AND HARRY CONDUCTING " B-SCHOOL SURVEYS " AND COMING OUT WITH " ASTONISHING RESULTS " YEAR BY YEAR.. THEY SAY THE IIM'S FEEL THREATENED AND THAT INSTITUTES LIKE MDI, SYMBIOSIS ARE FAST CATCHING UP AND THAT THEY MIGHT TOPPLE THEM FROM THEIR TOP POSITION..

WHAT I WOULD ASSUME IS THAT, IN THE NEXT FEW YEAR YOU WILL HAVE AROUND 2,00,000 PEOPLE APPEARING FOR THE ENTRANCE TEST OF INSTITUTES LIKE MDI, SYMBI ETC AND THAT THE IIM'S WILL ADMIT STUDENTS ON THE BASIS OF THEIR PERFORMANCE IN THESE RESPECTIVE TESTS.
( ANOTHER 100 YEARS THAT I LIVE, I DO NOT SEE SUCH A POSSIBILITY. )

SIMPLY COZ THE IIM'S ARE ALL ABOUT QUALITY AND REST ARE ALL ABOUT RANKINGS AND SALARY PACKAGES....


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Subject: 
iim
Author: 
Guest (not verified)
Date: 
Sun, 11/09/2005 - 00:57

If thats the case then why IIMs who have huge campus not educating 1000 students at one place rather than teaching onlt 100people.do they want high fundu knowledge only in some hands


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Subject: 
You have a point..but let us
Author: 
IIM Student (not verified)
Date: 
Sun, 11/09/2005 - 10:52

You have a point..but let us look at the situation. It is not just buildings that make up education institutions..if it was so easy, we should have atleast 1000 IIMs or Harvards in this country. Let us understand that building an institution takes time and effort. Apart from buildings we need world class faculty, world class research, world class support infrastructure for things to run in the way it should be. IIMs are in the path of doing it...still we need to go huge way in terms of the three critical factors that I have mentioned. IIMs are really choosy in terms of getting the faculty and there is a real demand for good people. There is need for high degree of support from industry and other sources to enhance research support.
Still IIMs are the best this country can offer in terms of management education and research. Considering this scenario if IIMs can only support around 750 students (that is not 100 BTW), what will be happening wiht 10000 MBAs that some of the institutions are mass producing (Sounds like quality? )


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Subject: 
Hi VivekBut is education
Author: 
shreya (not verified)
Date: 
Sun, 04/09/2005 - 09:21

Hi Vivek
But is education just for a job? What is wrong if somebody goes for an MBA just to learn and upgrade himself or herself? I think that elitism is on rise in MBA programmes especially with top rung schools like IIMs. What is wrong if we have say 1 lakh MBA seats? once the indian economy is growing dont we see need for that? and if people think it is worth they will go for an mba...Smiling The same market phenomenon u were mentioning.


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Subject: 
I guess you have not got the
Author: 
vivek (not verified)
Date: 
Tue, 06/09/2005 - 14:49

I guess you have not got the crux of article.. thats the precise refelction of the article that the learning motive is not behind the mba degree.. the rush is more for the degree, as long as the market is governed by demand supply gap there is no issue.. secondly these has a greater implications on non-mba quality graduates who suffer because of the mass production of mbas by the training institutes who do not have sufficient eligibility for the course.. everyday one meets mbas who cannot handle an elementary management task.. and one should note that entry level jobs in management field is not a prerogative of MBAs alone but such mass production of sub standard MBAs are hurting chances of fresh graduates


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Subject: 
Hi Vivek,I appreciate your
Author: 
Sukanta (not verified)
Date: 
Thu, 08/09/2005 - 03:15

Hi Vivek,

I appreciate your thought.Really the present trend for getting MBA tag has driven many such Institute to be a profit making body ,playing with blind emotions of students.I think Government should make a regulatory body to check this.Else very soon this value will come done.More over Work Ex should be given one of the major selection criterion while selecting as in USA average MBAs are of 5 Yrs work Ex,
After all MBAs are created to be Manager, not just to get a certificate for doing typing job with MBA logo on head.


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